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17 February 2012

The Great Depression of the 2010's musings part 11-Teacher Bashing, Again

An article in the Chicago Tribune ran a story about CPS teachers union asking for a 30% increase for teachers over the next 2 years for the added 90 minutes a day teachers are asked to work. I am putting up the link to the article. State High Court Sides With CPS in Dispute Over Teacher Layoffs 2012

Below are the comments from the page. What is interesting is the comment page was shut down rather quickly. The only way to access it is through the link I am posting. Other than that there is no way. The question is why? Discussion board/comment section

The most important question asked was the reason the comment section closed, in my humble opinion. It was shortly after I posted this question (highlighted in pink) that they stopped allowing comments.

* I have highlighted my comments in yellow and the contradictory ones in puke green. Maybe someone can tell me if I am crazy or are people really this insensitive and cruel.


PatCole at 1:23 PM February 17, 2012
Those teachers were wrongfully terminated. Plain and simple. I find it strange that the very same people that blast public school teachers for standing up against such treatment are the same that would lose their minds if it happened in their professions and work places.


PatCole at 1:18 PM February 17, 2012
Teachers, especially public school teachers are underpaid. Unions are a great thing ( never mind those that get corrupted like any large organization might possibly be ). Unions have actually been the most stabilizing force for employees in the 20th century until they and governmental regulatory agencies were infiltrated and undermined enmasse by right-wingers beginning in the Reagan era. Any union's power to negotiate protects employees and helps create a standard that even non-union employees can strive for.
Across the country, most people's wages (under economic adjustments) have been sliding downward since 1980 or so. People, like teachers in professions that serve the public good have been under attack and sliding further by the powerful who wish societal advantages like quality education, healthcare, vocational retooling onlly exist in their class. Public Education ( and the people that fight for it ) are one of these things these type of people feel should be under-valued by not only them, but also the very people they wish to keep under-educated, underpaid, and ill-informed.

 

CityChic at 12:02 PM February 17, 2012
The arrogance and ignorance of the CTU is unbelievable.  30% raise in 2 years? 
Sure!  They deserve it!  What, with a 50% graduation rate.  Congrats teachers.  You're doing a bang up job. 
Let's reward more FAILURE.   

History Teacher Lady at 11:41 AM February 17, 2012
If you were contracted to be paid a certain dollar amount an hour and your boss told you that you would now be working an additional 1.5 hours a day without being paid for it, how would you react?
If your boss increased your workload by 50% (filling a classroom with 30+ students) permanently with no compensation, how would you react?
The massive layoff of 1,300 teachers in 2010 effected my position and that of many History Teachers. Of that percentage that found positions in CPS again, I wonder how many were History Teachers? My position was given to a teacher that was not qualified nor endorsed to teach my subject. History/Social Science is one of the first academics to be cut. Just ask your child what they did in Social Science on any given day. If you get an answer, I would be surprised.
How many of those who hate teachers so much in these comment sections have ever spent time, I mean real time, not a few minutes dropping off your kids or going for mandatory report card pickups, in the classrooms, playgrounds or lunchrooms? If you truly believe that teachers are "these lazy people who have all the time in the world", request a tag along with a teacher for a day. Not just the day that starts when the students get there but when a teacher arrived until when they leave. Teaching is a passion and gift. Why belittle those who impart knowledge to our children?

CityChic at 11:59 AM February 17, 2012
Do you honestly think a teacher deserves a 30% raise in 2 years? 
Who do these people think they are?
 

History Teacher Lady at 12:10 PM February 17, 2012
Do you expect to be paid what your employer has contracted you for? Or do you like working for free?

History Teacher Lady at 12:12 PM February 17, 2012
Or do you like having your salary cut?

CityChic at 12:26 PM February 17, 2012
Lady - omg.  Where to begin?
Please explain to me how the CTU was EVER contracted to get a 30% raise?  If so, that is straight up CORRUPTION. 
You people are disgusting criminals - THIEVES.
You're already overpaid for producing a crap product.  You should be ashamed of yourselves.  Absolutely PATHETIC. 

CityChic at 12:28 PM February 17, 2012
I love how not getting a 30% raise is equal to working for FREE.
Omg, you're a teacher?  No wonder the kids in CPS are morons.  Look at the non-logic of the stupid teachers. 
Seriously, you should find a new profession.  No child deserves to be around such stupidity.

History Teacher Lady at 12:49 PM February 17, 2012
Hmmm. contracts obviously mean nothing. That is why the teachers were not given their contractual 4% raise last year.
If you'd read my post, I am no longer a teacher. I was one of the 1,300 laid off non-tenured teachers.
Again I will ask, if you had a certain dollar amount that you were paid each hour and your boss wanted you to work an extra 1.5 hours a day and not get paid for it, how would you feel?
You people? What people are you talking about? People that educate children? Or the ones who have been laid off because of budget cuts and program cuts? Maybe I was stolen from, ie, my teaching position being given to an unqualified unendorsed tenured teacher. Or the career I left to give something back to the community or the city I love. But I have not stolen anything.
When the decision to lay off my position came, my students were 10+ percentile points increase on their ISAT's while 4 percentile points is good standing for the city. I cared and gave much for my students at the expense of my own family. For you to boil students down to a product is shameful.

History Teacher Lady at 1:08 PM February 17, 2012
One of the first things I made sure was understood in the classroom, respect for one another. You don't have to like the people you are in class with but, like family, you have to respect them. Name calling is never an effective way to carry on an argument or disagreement. To effectively debate you need to understand both sides of the issue and debate/discuss. Name calling is for those that have no valid argument, so instead feel the need to intimidate.
 
ChicagoG2 at 11:28 AM February 17, 2012
rationalevoice.. unions treated like crap??? it's the TAXPAYERS that are being treated like crap and extorted by the unions.. they destroy EVERYTHING.. auto ind. steel ind. EDUCATION... all you union hacks bring up is what they did last century... time has moved on and feeding at the trough is finished. TEACH because you LOVE to teach; not because you can retire early with benefits.. almost EVERY teacher I know is more worried about their benefits... which shows you why the schools SUCK so bad in Chicago (also blame libtards WELFARE and lowering of expectations for that too)

ChicagoG2 at 11:22 AM February 17, 2012
The UNIONS want raises when the schools are the worst in the nation, when all of us are taking cuts, when all of us are either paying for our health and retirement or NOT having it... and these idiots want a raise. WAIT until we cut their pay, CUT welfare entitlements.. this Welfare City will look like Greece with all the TAKERS rioting... eventually we WILL have to cut entitlements to the TAKERS and they WILL fight

Conley65 at 11:21 AM February 17, 2012
The important sentence here is "many have already found...jobs within CPS."
Even though teachers' unions and Democrats whine nonstop about the layoffs of teacher, the fact is that very few are actually laid off. Is it a layoff when somebody is transferred to another job down the hall in a slightly different category? According to CPS. What about somebody who iad "laid off" for a week or a month or two and then brought back? Is that really a layoff. No, it isn't. T
Layoff numbers are fakes-these teachers, many of them seriously bad at their jobs, are not losing their jobs, they are being shifted around. This is a ploy to get more money out of the taxpayer for Chicago and the region's execrable public schools.
We need to stop acting like sheep. I would bet most of those 750 are working at CPS right now, and the others chose not to take jobs offered at CPS
Reporters need to do more than copy down what the CPS PR flacks hand out.
 
History Teacher Lady at 11:47 AM February 17, 2012
You are only talking about the tenured teachers. Those that were not tenured did not get shuffled to anyplace but the door.
Would love to know how many non-tenured teachers were re-employed by CPS. Why isn't that number there?

Pork Chop at 11:18 AM February 17, 2012
Chicago democrats. Unions. And the city is broke. Enough said.

ChicagoG2 at 11:23 AM February 17, 2012
Forgot to leave out the billions we spend in Chiago on WELFARE fraud... just look at the ghetto and you'll see how well the libtards system works

Gigi T at 11:15 AM February 17, 2012
30% raise over two years?
Must be smokin Hopium.

Dilbert McClinton at 11:09 AM February 17, 2012
From someone I know who's a CPS teacher, I can tell you that most of what comes out of Karen Lewis's mouth is news to all of them.

jeff191 at 11:14 AM February 17, 2012
Just not what goes into it.

jeff191 at 11:05 AM February 17, 2012
Seriously Tribune, why run the story about Karen Lewis and the CTU wanting a 30% raise without allowing comments on it? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/education/ct-met-ctu-proposals-0217-20120217,0,6829485.story

History Teacher Lady at 11:43 AM February 17, 2012
Because they do not want the 1,300 teachers who were laid off to make any comments. Lives were destroyed that June.

JF Kennedy Democrat at 11:02 AM February 17, 2012
Let's see - Johnny can't read and now 'teach' will have to go out and get a full-time job him or herself.  Tough!

jeff191 at 10:56 AM February 17, 2012
This news is going to drive Karen Lewis straight to the buffet. Someone please notify the Old Country Buffet so they can have extra shipments on hand.

ChicagoG2 at 11:24 AM February 17, 2012
are you sure Jabba the Hut eats human food????

jeff191 at 10:54 AM February 17, 2012
This is what happens when you let Mike Madigan pick the judges. Appeal to the US Supreme Court, a court that is outside the corrupting influence of Madigan.

jeff191 at 10:57 AM February 17, 2012
Errr, sorry, the Illinois Supreme Court. Except for Ed Burke's wife, who was no doubt one of the two, they're usually not in Madigan's pocket.

rationaleVoice at 10:53 AM February 17, 2012
Pretty soon....only the losers in society will become teachers.  Teaching will be the go to job for people who can't do anything else.

donttreadonme66 at 10:58 AM February 17, 2012
oh I thought it already IS!!!  Are these people blue collar or white collar workerslike doctors, laywers, architects....they need to decide. If they want to be in a union, then they get treated like it.  If they want to be professionals, then maybe the taxpayers would hold them to a higher level.

rationaleVoice at 11:12 AM February 17, 2012
@donttreadonme66  So basically you think anyone in a Union deserves to be treated like crap?  You see that is where the problem starts.  You don't want to look at teachers as people, like yourself, that educate society's children.  Besides, doctors, lawyers and architects work under CONTRACT the same as teachers.  The difference is that teachers are often bashed for asking for their contract to be honored. Yes, tax-payer money pays for teachers.   But it also pays for superintendents, librarians, janitors, etc.  If I were you I would look at their salaries. As far as taxpayers holding teachers to a higher level - what level are you talking about?  You get what you pay for.
 
donttreadonme66 at 11:23 AM February 17, 2012
@voice...yes public unions are a worthless entity in 2012!!!!  All they are good for is confiscating wages to feed the union bosses who in turn give money and support to democrats who in turn agree to support wage and benefit increases for those who support them....sounds a little crooked to most taxpayers who are FINALLY waking up to this scam!!! 
 
ChicagoG2 at 11:28 AM February 17, 2012
rationalevoice.. unions treated like crap??? it's the TAXPAYERS that are being treated like crap and extorted by the unions.. they destroy EVERYTHING.. auto ind. steel ind. EDUCATION... all you union hacks bring up is what they did last century... time has moved on and feeding at the trough is finished. TEACH because you LOVE to teach; not because you can retire early with benefits.. almost EVERY teacher I know is more worried about their benefits... which shows you why the schools SUCK so bad in Chicago (also blame libtards WELFARE and lowering of expectations for that too)

jake07 at 11:30 AM February 17, 2012
rational not-  If they act like union thugs, as the teachers have done during many contract talks, walk out when prohibbited by law, get inflated salaries and benefits for "not teaching" then yes they are deserving of crap.  There are many good teachers out there but the union and it methods are protecting the lousy ones and not protecting the students. 
Second not many doctors and few lawyers or architects are "under contract" they are usually self owned businesses or independent contractors or employees.  Those jobs have the ability to be eliminated without cause in most cases and certainly can be dumped for lack of performance.  Get some idea of how employment works with a union verses other real workers. 

CityChic at 12:11 PM February 17, 2012
rationalvoice - if these union members think they deserve a 30% raise - even if the damn graduation rate was 100% - they'd be out of their f-ing minds. 
Yes - they should all be treated like crap until they realize that they're undeserving of a 30% raise.  You people are sick and demented. 
I'm stunned and outraged that such a pathetic group of people hold themselves up so high that they are deluded enough to believe they deserve such an exhorbitant raise. 
What planet are you people on? 
Like taxpayers can even afford a 3%. 
I cannot wait until the day that unions are completely extinct. 

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